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Pledge “passport”

"I will apply to renew my UK passport on 15th August 2005 but only if 100 other UK citizens will do the same."

— Geraint Bevan, Member of NO2ID (www.no2id.net)

Deadline to sign up by: 14th August 2005
106 people signed up (6 over target)

Country: United Kingdom

More details
The UK passport service will start issuing "biometric passports" in October 2005. These passports will contain electronic chips which are capable of storing biometric information about the passport holder in a machine-readable format. This measure is at the insistence of the US government; it is a requirement for countries to comply if they wish to continue participating in the US visa waiver scheme. Passports issued before October 2005 will not contain these chips.

Furthermore, the Identity Cards Bill, which is currently under consideration by Parliament, specifies that passports will become "designated documents". If this bill becomes law, applicants for such documents will be required to provide personal information and undergo biometric processing (capture of fingerprints, iris scans and digital photographs) as part of the registration process for the new central database - the "National Identity Register". Applying to renew a passport before the bill becomes law will buy 10 years grace before the government can use passport renewal to force applicants to enrol on the National Identity Register, by which time the scheme may have been defeated.

If enough people renew their passports at the same time, the surge in applications may get noticed by MPs before the third reading in the Commons and may help them to understand that the identity cards scheme will face determined opposition if they try to impose it on us.

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  • Actually, I'll do it whether or not anyone else signs up!
    Citizen X, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Just for the information of people thinking of signing this, you

    - Can apply for a new passport at any time without needing to justify it (you do *not* need to report your old one lost, stolen or eaten by the dog)

    - Will get up to nine months "credit" for unused time left on your old passport if you apply for a new one before the old one expires, so if your old passport expires in or before May 2006 you won't even lose out financially by applying for a new one in August 2005.
    Tony Walton, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • After reading about this on the No2ID forum I too will be doing this regardless of pledge success rate.

    It'll give 10 years of identification without an ID card - very good idea.

    And no matter that I have a few years left on my existing passport - excellent!
    Ishtar, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I was going to do this anyway, for the reasons stated in the pledge details. If it means that the US dont want me to visit as I do not have a pointless biometric passport then that is just a bonus.
    Rhian, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I feel a bit a fraud signing up as my passport has just expired and I need a new one before going on holiday in November anyway.
    However, I find the whole issue of identity cards very disturbing so I'll happily send off the form on the 15th.
    Jennifer Flippance, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I have a US visa - it won't screw that up at all, will it? i rather need it for work... sorry to be practical. brilliant idea though.
    Tim B, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Tim, you should check with the US embassy.
    According to the UKPS website,

    "Please note that your old passport will be cancelled. Please be aware that this may invalidate any visas in the passport. You are recommended to contact the issuing authorities to confirm whether an unexpired visa in a cancelled passport remains valid."

    http://www.ukps.gov.uk/_1_applications/1...
  • Tim, the US embassy website has a FAQ section for visas:

    "I have a visa in my old passport; can I just transfer it over?

    It is not possible to transfer a visa from one passport to another without making a new visa application. Please note that the Embassy no longer issues visas valid "indefinitely". If you are issued a new visa it will have a maximum validity of ten years.


    My passport containing a valid visa has expired. I've obtained a new passport; do I need a new visa?

    If the passport in which your visa has been endorsed has expired, the visa in the old passport still can be used, provided that you also carry a valid passport of the same nationality. Note: If, when canceling your old passport, the passport authority has clipped the corners of the passport, and, in so doing, has damaged the visa in any way, that visa is no longer valid and cannot be used for travel to the United States."

    http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_new/faq...

    However, even if your visa remains valid, you might perhaps be subjected to extra scrutiny at US immigration if they think that there is something odd about having renewed your passport before the expiration date of the old one that contains the visa.
  • I will actually be out of the country on 15th August (in Oslo), so I can't take part in this one. However, I was already planning to apply for a new passport as soon as I returned so as to avoid the biometric one - I return on 18th August so on 19th I shall apply for a new one (even though mine doesn't expire until Feb 2007).
    Keith Blakemore-Noble, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I'd like to do this, but a new passport apparently costs £42 (from https://www.passport-application.gov.uk). Unfortuantely I'm a poor student so I'll have to renew in a few years when my current one runs out.
  • I'm gonna be applying for new UK passports for myself and my daughter in Oz next year - I wonder what they will try to force us to do here?
    Jerome Pearce, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Is there a deadline for which passport applications have to be made, or is the 15th August just for this pledge? - not that I want to take too long about it.

    Thanks everyone.

    ps. I want my country back.
    Teflon Nonstick, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Teflon, 15th August is just for this pledge but part of the reason for the choice of date is that it is approximately 6 weeks before UKPS start rolling out biometric passports. This should leave enough time to get a passport without a chip even if there are minor delays in the application. The UKPS business plan expects the rollout of biometric passports to be complete sometime in the middle of next year so you will almost certainly get a passport with a chip if you apply after then.

    The exact date that passport applications would require you to register for an ID card depends on the progress of the Identity Cards Bill through Parliament, but 2007 is likely.
    Geraint, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Thanks for the reply Geraint. I'll get onto it. Even though my passport still has over a year to go, I was never really happy with the photograph. 8]
    Teflon Nonstick, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I would, but I'll be actually using mine on that date, as I'll be in France. I will be applying as soon as I get back though so that I don't have to get an ID card until the last possible moment.
    Jo, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I have joint US-UK citizenship but have made do with my US passport. Time for me to apply for the UK passport.
  • I'll have to think about this one as it is quite expensive for me as I renewed less than a year ago. However so much for the proposed infallibility of the Passport Office: my 'secure courier-delivered' passport never arrived. ('Secure' passport deliveries do not require signatures!) and I was informed that no real tracking could be done on the missing passport for at least six weeks! This is due to an incredibly convoluted internal system at the Passport Office which includes people working part-time, different departments not being able to speak to each other as they work different shifts, separate departments not having access to the same area of the database etc. etc.

    When I protested that all this didn't seem very secure, I was assured that it was so "really", and I was also assured that the 'secure courier' made extensive notes, when delivering a passport, about the property concerned - "even to the point of noticing flower pots or a child's bicycle". When the 'manifest' of the courier concerned was finally tracked (which took over two months), he hadn't even noted the colour of my mailbox!

    The passport was never found and, given that it was over two months before it could finally be cancelled, it shudders me that these are the people, this is the office, this is the system which will be dealing with our entire identities should this nefarious bill come to pass.
    Maryon Jeane, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • The current biometric is just a digital version of the passport photograph, which I have no objection to.

    However I will certainly be renewing before they start requiring you to be fingerprinted like a common criminal, as part of the process of piggybacking the dreaded ID card on the back of the passports.
    David J. Ruck, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • If you just want to renew your passport without having 'lost' the existing one (mine is only 4 years old), what reason do you give? I'd rather like to actually write "because I don't want a biometric passport" but will that sort of thing invalidate the application? If so, what is actually a reason they'll accept?
    Chris C, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • To Jerome Pierce in Oz:
    If you're an ex-pat Brit like me, the UK Home Office told me by email that we won't have to register and submit all this biometric info. Apparently only those residing in the UK will have to go through that hoop. So presumably that means that we'll be getting the same type of UK passport as before.
    Bob McMurray, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Can I clarify? Do we FILL IN THE ONLINE FORM at www.passport-application.gov.uk on the 15th, or SEND BACK the completed and signed one? If the latter, I'm probably too late.
  • Bob McMurray: Thanks for the info.

    Maryon Jeane: "it shudders me that these are the people, this is the office, this is the system which will be dealing with our entire identities should this nefarious bill come to pass." You've hit the nail on the head.

    Having worked for government organisations (not in the UK, but they're all similar) I firmly believe that the level of competance, security and even honesty is frighteningly low.
    Jerome Pearce, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • When you apply for a new passport, does the form ask whether you hold a current passport? If so, what's good to say?
    Kathryn, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Nick W, I am planning on filling in my application form on the 15th, although I may do it at the post office so that I can send it off on the same day.

    Kathryn, it will ask if you are renewing a passport. Tell the truth, there is no need to lie on the form.
    Geraint, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I am currently living and working in the U.S, with a visa that runs til jun06, on a UK passport that expires in july06. Really don't want a BIO passport or ID, but I probably won't be back in the UK for a few months, plus, I can't risk invalidating my current visa. Rather annoyed. Is there anything I can realistically do?? By the way, EVERYONE, who arrives in the U.S. at passport control already has to submit to fingerprinting, and a digital mugshot- try refusing- you'll end up in Guantanamo bay.
    The UK and USA are at the fore-front of the Orwellian Global Dictatorship society which is rapidly become a reality, meanwhile people are eating crisps and watching big-brother on channel4.
    W A K E . U P .
    Dave H., 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Btw, the pretext for ID cards (and wars) has always been FEAR, as opposed to rational argument. There is much talk on the internet about a possible biological or nuclear terror attack in the US in late august- this is because we know they are gearing up for a so-called "terror excercise/drill" of that nature at that time. As we know, the attacks of 9/11 and 7/7, both happened inexplicably, simultaneously, with identical "drills" to the actual events. If this takes place again this month, the FEAR factor will be cranked into overdrive.
  • This is a great idea and I can see why we should do it but I notice from the UK Passport Office's website at http://www.passport.gov.uk/biometric.asp that it is only the facial recognition biometric they are piloting from this Oct. The really objectionable stuff only comes later. "In line with recently established European Union standards, the UKPS is also considering the inclusion of fingerprint scans in our biometric passport from 2008." This is because the EU regulation only requires facial biometrics immediately and fingerprints "within three years" and all the EU countries are waiting for technical committees to work out the details for fingerprinting. But it gets better: the UK is actually exempted from this EU regulation because we opted out of the so-called "Schengen Agreement" guaranteeing free movement of people in Europe (see http://europa.eu.int/idabc/jsps/document... for details)so the government can't use the EU to blame for doing this. It's a pretext for introducing ID cards.
    Pete Barron, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • What does it mean to RENEW a passport? My passport doesn't run out for some time so do I get a new one or renew my old one?
    kathryn, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • My application is already in the system, even though there were a couple of years still left on it.

    Other 'problems' do come with changing a UK passport. I am now travelling around Europe without a passport due to it taking 2 to 6 weeks to get a new one, why so long?
    The only time I need a passport in Europe is when I travel to or from the paranoid UK. I have even been to Switzerland, outside the EU, several times this year without needing a passport.
    In Holland you get a new passport by going to the local council with your old passport and 2 new photos, half an hour later you walk out with the new one, Germany does add an extra step, you need to have the application countersigned by a solicitor, but once again half an hour in the local council offices and you have a new German passport and a French one if you want it. All German citizens are entitled to a French passport as well, also vice versa.
    Rhian, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I'm going on holiday as of the 21st so I don't want to take the risk on a delay, however I'll be doing it as soon as I get back. Always swore I'd move to New Zealand before they made me carry an ID card and I ain't ready to move just yet!
    Paulio, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • You don't need to 'renew' it unless it's running out of time. Just tick the 'change' box instead of the 'renew' box, then send the form in with two copies of your photograph, the fee, and your old passport (nomatter how much time is left on it). Nothing needs to be countersigned unless your appearance has changed dramatically. Better still, have it all checked at a post office for a small additional fee, then write a cheque at the counter for the total amount (payable to the Post Office) and you should get it back within two weeks. I was told at the Post Office that one person got theirs back in four days! I did mine this morning. I'll let you know how long it takes me.
    Teflon Nonstick, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • ...in addition - there is no 'valid' or 'in-valid' reason for wanting a new passport. For the record, my one was I felt embarrassed by my old picture - but then, who isn't?
    Teflon Nonstick, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • A passport lasts for about 3650 days. Assume that (pulling a figure at random) 20 million of us have them; there must be 5000 getting issued or renewed daily.

    I've signed up to this pledge and am going to renew mine now, but I doubt that there will be a visible bump in the renewal stats.
    Steve Cotton, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I just wanted to add that we the people have a rare opportunity to stop the government in its tracks. A mandatory biometic passport cannot claim to be effective if even a moderate number of people resist. Are they really prepared to arrest, say, a thousand (or even two or three) otherwise upstanding and law-abiding citizens? Time is also on our side as resistance is continuing to grow.
  • Kathryn, when you "renew" your passport, you will have to send off your old one which will be cancelled.
    Geraint, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I have just sent off my renewal application at the local Post Office. Along with the main form, there is a supplemental form requesting additional information such as NI number, driver number, previous address, employer details, bank details, etc. - all the kinds of information that would be particularly useful to seed the National Identity Register.

    Please note that the Post Office will accept an application for renewal even if you do not fill in or include the supplemental form.

    They will also accept cash so you do not have to help UKPS to link your bank details to your passport number.

    Thank you to everyone who signed the pledge!
    Geraint, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • When I last renewed my passport (1994) I lost the unexpired time on my previous passport. Now, however, they will add up to 9 months from your unexpired passport onto your new one (assuming you send it in, of course).
    I do not need a passport immediately, but I signed up to this pledge and I have applied.
    David Reynolds, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I just recieved my new passport in the post this morning. It took exactly 6 days from when I handed the application in at my local post office.

    The notes concerning the machine readable page state that "There is no hidden information and there will be no means of adding information to the page after the passport has been issued". Also, as I am born and bred English, I have 'European Union' at the top of the front cover. But should I hold any other form of British nationality, the EU reference will be ommitted.

    So, there's 'British', and 'almost British', eh? That should prove interesting.
    Teflon Nonstick, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Having signed this pledge I did my application at my local post office at 5pm on Monday the 15th Aug as promissed, my new passport came back this morning, Thursday 18th Aug, already !!

    My old passport still had 26 months to run, and I have been given an additonal 9 months validity on my new one because my old one had not yet expired. Sadly the most extra they will give is 9 months, but its another 9 months I wont have to have a biometric passport !
    Tim Haines, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Applied on 15th - haven't heard anything yet
    Citizen X, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Telegraph:
    "Passport prices soar again to pay for new security measures
    By Philip Johnston, Home Affairs Editor
    (Filed: 18/11/2005)

    The price of a passport is to go up by more than 20 per cent to £51 to pay for security measures - including face-to-face interviews for every new applicant starting next year, the Home Office said yesterday.
    ..."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht...
    X, 8 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Those that have comment notification on may be interested in this:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/04/...
    Register article. They'r etrying to stop us...
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