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Pledge “djlicense”

"I will refuse to purchase a digital DJ license but only if 100 other working DJs will do the same."

— Christian Mayne, Working DJ

Deadline to sign up by: 1st May 2006
56 people signed up, 44 more were needed

Country: United Kingdom

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The digital DJ license (http://www.ppluk.com/ppl/ppl_lf.nsf/Digi...) is a cynical act of profiteering by the music buiness.

PPL are demanding that DJs pay £200 for an annual license allowing them to play music stored in digital form (laptop or CDr). This includes legally purchased items which are apparently only licensed for "domestic use". Moreover, the license limits how many tracks may be stored in the DJs database to 20,000 (I personally have well in excess of 40,000 tracks - all legally obtained - and I'm not about to start deleting them...).

Nightclubs already pay for a license which allows music to be reproduced on the premises. Therefore, I believe this license is simply an attempt to intimidate hard working DJs into coughing up £200 for a license that is probabably unenforcable and likely worthless.

The music business relys on DJs to give their products exposure. That's why we are sent music free of charge. If all DJs refuse to pay this charge, PPL will have no choice but to drop it or risk harming their clients interests when we are unable to play PPL registered music.

I pledge not to buy this license if 100 other working DJs will agree to do the same.

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  • The Club pays PPL, I pay royalties when I buy music, Radio stations and record shops pays PPL even though they are promoting the music, now they want to hammer DJs!

    No other industry gets this much support. I would support it if PPL gave all the money raised direct to artists, they do not, less than half finds its way to the artists
    Jules Woodell, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Everyone knows the club already pays, and you can't tax the already taxed, it's just extortion.

    Besides... What about open DJ nights and people having a tryout, do they need a license before they have a crack at it.

    If the clubs play by the rules I can see many a night cancelled because a DJ forgot or doesn't have a license.

    Plus this may cost more to enforce than they will get from it.
  • I Agree no licence records cost enough
    doug hall, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • i have been a dj on the road since 1974 and every year something else in the industry is changed to take money from the people that can ill afford it.
    Andy Hall
    andrew hall, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Far from harming writers and musicians, playing music to the public, in whatever form, raises awareness, interest and enjoyment in an artist's work. It is the companies who would monopolise and control the music industry, not the artists, who want to squeeze more and more from the music product. It is sheer greed and we need to say "No".
    Andy Brown, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Some people seem to be missing the fact that when you purchase a vinyl record, tape or CD you only can use that record for domestic purposes. You do not acquire any rights to copy that record, or to play that record in public. And a digital file (mp3,Flac,ogg) etc is a copy of a orginal file therefore you need permisssion from the copyright holder to play in public which is what this license is going you.

    It also legally allows you to back up all your tracks on a second hard drive something which you could never do before legally
    kev, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Kev,

    The club already has a license which allows the music to be played. The music played in clubs is regularly audited to ensure artist receive payment for the plays.

    The license will not allow you to back up all your tracks, it will allow you to back up 20,000 tracks. I edit or remove long intros etc for speed of cueing. This is also not permitted under the license.

    And the fact remains that DJs are essential to the record business, which is why we get sent music free of charge by the record industry. Record companies and artist value the free publicity afforded to their products by DJs across the country. I believe that copying a miniscule proportion of a collection onto CD-R for use in a club constitutes fair use. This new license is simply an attempt to intimidate DJs into coughing up based on a grey area in the law. I believe it is also an attempt to test the water before introducing a similar personal license for owners of MP3 players.

    The music business should be thoroughly ashamed of itself for such blatant profiteering. Music industry greed is killing music.

    How does this affect Radio stations by the way? Most of which have vast libraries of MP3s or DAT tapes? Will there be an attempt to restrict their collection to 20,000 tracks / not edit out swearwords etc?
    Christian Mayne, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Kev,
    You misunderstand. Clubs pay performance licences and DJs pay royalties when purchasing tracks, be it on CD, vinyl or digitally. What PPL are trying to do here is screw more money from DJs (Who promote the product) on top of all the charges already paid.

    NO OTHER INDUSTRY gets this sort of support, why is the Music biz special. If I leave a newspaper or a book in a cafe, no performance licence, no matter how many people read it, even if the main reason people visit the cafe is to read it but play music, even background music and I must pay what is effectively a tax to private industry.

    Worse, PPL is a private company, financed out of these levies, they waste waste much of the money in top heavy management, then distribute much of the remainder to the big 4 labels. Very little goes to the artists.
    Jules woodell, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • My understanding of the Designs, Patents and Copyright laws means any software can be backed up to any number of machine readable format so long as it is not used in more than one place. Digital music files are software according to this act and therefore once purchased they provide a perpetual licence to use the software (music) for your own use. I have read the PPL licence and think it is incorrect. Do we need to buy a new licence to play CD's? No, yet these are digital media still. Say No to this attempt to extort money from DJ's.
    Andrew, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • So what if I produced my own digital track and wanted to play that out at a gig from my pc? - Do I need a license for that? Should the big record labels be taking money from me for doing this?
    Si, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • Hi DJs :D

    Whilst I am not (yet?) a DJ, I am however looking to launch an internet radio show (soon hopefully?) - and so I think this latest licensing is lunacy!!

    Soon, we'll need licenses for licenses! :O
  • The Digital DJ License has no benefit for DJs. It's a complete mess and aimed at only one type of DJ. Bang out of order. Who's next? A silly license (TAX) for CD users or TT Deck users?
    Who else is fighting this?
  • The DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association (DJ@) is against the PPL Digital DJ License and has added a Pledgebank link.
    Rgeards and good luck.
  • Let me get this straight. If I download a track from (say) Itunes, then burn it onto a CD, which the licence from Itunes allows me to do, then I don't need a DDJ licence. However, if I play that downloaded track straight from my laptop, then I need to pay £200 a year? Madness!
    Casey, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • It's ill thought out, does not serve the needs of a working DJ, and it looks incorrectly marketed to me.
    Brian, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • It's absoloute nonsence to charge you for a piece of music twice if i buy it on cd and put on computer to work off, and buy the correct license your paying twice!

    After all you can only be playing that piece of music once at anyone time no matter what the format!!
    Simon, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • hi

    can someone help me out here, many of the bars i drink in have all the usual licenses but use a computer based system to play the music without a dj, does this license mean that the many bar staff (and sometimes customers) who are allowed by management to change the order of the playlist will have to fork out £200?

    and what about the hundreds of volunteer dj`s for college and hospital radio who also store tracks digitally in the same way as the pledge starter, where they avoid needing a broadcast license by pumping the sound through speakers rather than a radio frequency, will these volunteers also be fleeced by this license?
    gareth, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I've been making enquiries about the ddj license & I was thinking of getting one as I use digital copies of cd's & vinyl etc at venues every week.
    I have since found out that it doesn't cover me for copying legally obtained music onto cdr's.
    This is ridiculous I don't know any dj who takes their original recordings out with them for fear of trashing them, as many of you have said "we have paid for this music once, why should we pay again"
    It seems to me that this is another way of extorting money from dj's, when all we are doing is promotiong the music on behalf of the record companies, we play it in the clubs before it comes out in the shops, our customers hear it, if they like it they ask what it is & eventually go out & buy it when it comes out.
    Needless to say I won't be buying a digital dj license
    darren kidd, 6 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • I am aware now for some time of the wonderful world of the netlabel (check this: http://numia.scene.org)...tracks created with the Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/) and I am now downloading many mp3s which I am free to perform publicly, copy, and distribute....
    However according to the Creative Commons License if I make profit by performing this music I need the artist's permission...but it seems implicit from all the artists' websites when downloading this music that you are encouraged to publically perform this music and they expect no recompense....(correct me if I'm wrong here).
    So here is music that is in the mp3 format that is not covered by this new license proposal...
    And I assure you that much of this music supasses the fodder found in record shops..
    And a very interesting regular DJ set can be maintained that is certainly "underground" and defies this new legislation proposal....
    malcolm, 5 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
  • One point we are all missing about this licence is it will put the cost of being a pro dj up. personaly i am now all for this as i am sick of being sacked from venues and replaced with the cheap option - kids who download! it is these people who are slowly killing the industry by working for naff money, the sort you and i cannot survive on. if they now have to find an extra 200 quid from mummy and daddy it may just push them out of our way.
    how can that really be so bad. with them gone 200 quid won't be so hard to find as the work load should pick up.
  • This is absoulutely rediculous it will never stand i found some stuff out about the digital dj liscense at http://www.disco-genie.co.uk
  • Danny J
    I don't get sacked....my mixing stands out by itself...people are prepared to pay for a DJ who brings in the crowd....the principal of paying for this license gets up my crystaline nose...hee hee
    malcolm, 5 years ago. Abusive? Report it!
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Current signatories (Green text = they've done it)

Christian Mayne, the Pledge Creator, joined by:

  • Jono Cary
  • Katie B
  • Paul Lopez
  • Ian Forrester
  • Sir Arthur Grebe-Streebling
  • J Ward
  • Rowan Porteous
  • Rob Morgan
  • Jules woodell
  • Amee Edwards
  • Bryn J Wright
  • Peter Thorp
  • Paul Diamond
  • Gary White
  • Ashton Man
  • Gary Powell
  • andrew hall
  • Al Salzz
  • Steve Robinson
  • glen hewitt
  • Vic Hollingsworth
  • John Griffiths
  • Andrew Hodkinson
  • DEANO CARROLL
  • Dr Marrese
  • Cassidy P
  • James Watson
  • Vince Sherring
  • alastair thomas
  • Dr Jon
  • Faze Al
  • Trevor R
  • Adam Lewis
  • Alex C
  • Jan
  • kev nottingham
  • Paul Grimes
  • DJ Dash
  • Daniel Essex
  • Tom Ferny
  • dj ravee
  • m. booton
  • Paul Cook
  • Richard Anderson
  • Malcolm Wood
  • Lawrence Behmer
  • Phillip Corner
  • 9 people who did not want to give their names

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