"I will Bring Sephyism to the world and give people the freedom to choose their own god and have the option of being a part of a religion that does not subscribe to societies norms and values. but only if 50,000 people or more will Put Sephyist as there religion in the next international census of their country."
— Tethar Atrum, Philosopher of Sephyism (contact)
Deadline to sign up by: 29th December 2011
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I and many others are trying to make real our religion. Our god is the One Winged Angel Sephiroth. The main villian of Final Fantasy VII.
You may mock having a video game character as a god but while all other faiths are making weak arguments as to how there god exists all we need do is pick up a copy of the game and play it.
I and many others believe people have the right to choose whatever religion they wish. This aside from bringing Sephyism to the world will also allow a greater freedom to all religious people in the entire world.
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~First Keeper NovaIce~
Do the world a favour and smack your head into something hard; maybe some sense will be shattered into it.. ¬_¬;;
I just happen to love Sephyism, because it's the first religion that is actually stepping ahead to expand and let other people join and express their feelings.
It is also a good way to say that we don't need to be forced down to a certain religion, we are free to choose what we wish.
In all things, may everyone have balance.
~First Keeper NovaIce~
I suggest taking up a hobby. Knitting would be good for "Sephyists".
P.S. Grammar and spelling: they add credibility, yes?
My form of worship is to embrace life after coming back and make better use of it. Also to gain a sense of clarity with my own strength.
In answer to your statement about spelling/grammer. Please be aware that about 25/30% of the worlds population suffer from some form of learning difficulty (I for one have dyslexia). Although we try our best mistakes can be made. To us, that comment would be considered offencesive.
My statement about spelling was not intended to be insulting, it's just that I've been in a lot of forums where people just choose not to use a simple spell-checker. Because of that it's become a pet peeve, furthered by the fact that most of said people flame others and launch into more petty things.
I don't so much worship Sephiroth as indentify. Yes, I know hes evil but most people are not 100% good. His evil nature dose come as a result of being tested on and I can see why he would go insane and want to destroy the world. I indentify with his rebirth as I have had a similar experience. I indentify with his swordmanship as I'm a sword fighter of excellent standing who went on to train others. I also indentify with his non-gender looks as that is how I do look (yes, i do have the same colour hair except a bit whiter).
Yes he is created character. Some can argue that other religious icons are. How can you prove that such people were real. You can't, the believe alone is strong enough.
I, personally, am curious to see how many people could believe and support this. I for one don't like religon but I can support if others believe in it strongly enough.
Organised Religion has people mindlessly following a God to be feared and who is manipulative : love me or go to hell, do this for me or go to hell, dont do that and go to hell.
Sephyism, like Jediism, allows people an alternative religion. We know Sephiroth never was and never will be real. But are all of you who are insulting our intelligences saying the same things to the followers of the Jedi religion or the people who learn Klingon?
Can you prove Jesus was real? or Buddah? or any of the other gods that are floating around here today?
The fact is that we chose to follow Sephyism because none of the other religions fitted with us. I was born a Catholic and became an Atheist when i was 6. I was a person who had to have everything proved to me.
To me, Sephyism is one of the few religions without rules. We dont have to fear being sent to hell just because of some outdated sin such as homosexuality. We dont have to go to a place of worship every week and be told that we're all sinners and going to hell!
Come on now. Do you really think if they take this petition to the whitehouse (assuming they even make it to the fence) and explain this to the president that he'd going to nod his head and put a super-dee-duper stamp of approval on it? Or even consider sending a memo out to other world leaders for their green lights? And with 50,000 signatures? That barely makes a dent in the world population. Heck, if they made this public, the whole world would be laughing at them, and you know it, no matter how much "Sephiroth has influenced your life". To deny that is just plain oblivious.
Racism: When every religion is wrong and you think that ONLY YOUR religion is right. You don't accept anything else.
Ethnocentrism: When every religion is accepted naturally. You are more of an open minded person. You also keep in mind that people are different.
What i can't accept is people calling other people stupid just for having a bit of fun and trying to do something against the norm.
We KNOW this is unlikely to become an official religion; do you think we would have set the bar at 50000 sigs if we thought it would succeed? There's only a few members on the Sephyism forunms on ACF and they thought it would be a fun idea; a kind of experiment if you will; to see
a) if people would accept the idea
b) how other people would take the idea
c) could we succeed (probably not)
Noones mocking other peoples spirituality. We're all simply people who gave up on organised religion a long time ago because it simply wasnt for us.
And as for everyone saying we're stupid:
many of the people here are actually highly intelligent individuals.
As I said, you don't see the whole picture. If all you can say about religion is that it's a tight-ass organization for homophobes, then you haven't done YOUR research.
I feel the need to mention that Buddha IS real. No, he's not a god, he's a historical figure, who was highly admired and "worshipped" for his knowledge and teachings, which far surpass anything Sephiroth is going to teach you. Most of the "symbolism" and "lessons" I've heard for this religion are things encouraged in other religions and even atheism anyway. Honestly, if you want freedom and the opportunity to get to know yourself and become a better person, look up Buddhism.
On the other hand, no, we can't prove Jesus is real, or God, or any of the people mentioned in the bible, Torah, or Qur'an, because it's all about faith. There's no faith great enough to suddenly make Sephiroth a real, multi-dimensional person, who you can look up to and write a bible about. He has no teachings. He provides no light at the end of the tunnel. If there ever was anything written to support this, it'd probably be fabricated because of some millisecond in the game where people had the delusion that it implied it. You say you need real proof that something exists and is worthy of worship, worthy of putting your whole heart and soul into. Where the fuck is that proof? And give me a scholarly answer, because none of the shit I've read above is proving anything.
Then again, I don't think anything you could ever say will prove that you're an intellegent being if you're holding a character created for a game as highly as God.
if i was stupid would i be about to undertake a University Honours course in Mathematical Science and Computer Engineering, something which required 4 A's at the higher lever to qualify for?
If i was stupid, would i have been doing work aimed at 13 year olds when i was just 10?
And if i was stupid, would i be one of less than 0.5% of UK secondary school pupils who attained 90% on an advanced maths challenge, when i was 14?
And despite saying i follow sephyism and signing the pledge, i still dont believe in god.
I never have done and i never will. If there was a god, then why is there so much suffering on our planet? wouldnt this lord almighty who loves us so much save those poor kids getting raped by their parents? help those third world countries who cant even grow food they're that poor?
If God loves us all, then why is he making life so goddam difficult for us? I have relatives that went to church everyday all their lives dying of cancer whilst drug dealers and rapists are living the high life. Where's God then?
Every major war in the last 2000 years has been started through religion.
Ireland - Catholics Vs. Protestants
The War on Terror - Western Culture Vs. Islamic Extremists
Israel/Palestine - Over a piece of land both coutnries claim God gave to them
Im not insulting religion and I'm not trying to make anyone lose faith.
If you dont wanna join, fine by me. Im not gonna force you. I dont force my friends to like the same things as me so why force some stranger into joining a made up religion that was just a bit of a laugh?
And anyway, if you had paid attention; getting all these signatures will not make this an official religion. It is a pledge to attempt to make this an official religion if we get 50000 signatures.
No harm is being done. We're not trying to take over the world. We're not going to start building places of worship across the world. And please Jennifer, get off your high horse and stop acting like your superior to us all just because you dont wanna join in. Noone's insulted you so please dont insult us
You wanna know the reason why so many wars have started due to religion? Because it's more than a game. You don't /want/ it to be a religion, because it /will/ get more complicated and less fun than fandom. And did I say "you're ALL going to become an extremist group"? NO. Go reread what I said.
Thanks for listing a bunch of pointless academic achievements to show off or whatever it is you were doing. I could list why I'm apparently intellegent and shouldn't be messed with too, but I'm not that desperate. Besides, we all know there's a pretty thick line between excellence in school, and excellence in the real world. I wasn't refering to your little test results. You might be exceptional at math, but you fail at defending your cause. You remind me of a girl I saw on ED who scanned her report card for a similar reason.
And despite all these apparent things that make you ripe for an "understandable" supporter of Sephyism, you still haven't provided me with any real responce as to why Sephiroth needs to be worshipped. If you think God is suck a prick, last time I checked, Sephiroth wasn't exactly making the world a better place, either. In fact, I think he was trying to destroy it. You want to look up to someone who would kill you and your family in a heartbeat? Wow.
You could make a religion about ANYBODY for their good traits. You could apply the same logic as Sephiroth's to Bowser: that people should do what they believe should be done, whether it goes against anyone else's beliefs or laws. But wait. He's a fire-breathing giant koopa/dinosaur/whatever the hell he is. Sephiroth's a silken-haired, leather-wearing, albino/asian version of Fabio.
Holy wars have happened because people didn't like what others choice to worship. By insulting each other you are merely echoing that thought pattern. This can then extend to a war. Do you really want that? I don't insult anyone who chooses to worship organised religion. I feel that people can be free to choose who they worship. If I choose to worship a game character or the Easter bunny that should be my choice and that of others without fear of insult.
I choose to support Sephyism. Not becasue I belive in the possiblity of the religion myself more so that it can allow others to choose.
Freedom of choice is important to me. Though my years I have found that to be important not the end result. I'm in my 30's btw. Intellegence dosen't have to messured by qualifications (it can help). Afterall, I have a 182 IQ and still can't spell for shit.
This isn't a real legitimate religion worth respect, it's a fandom taken far out of control and hopefully in a few years, you'll all look back and laugh at how seriously you took it. You /should/ have fear of insult, because trying to make the worship of a game character as recognized as Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism etc, is an insult to the people of those religions' faith, which as I said, is much deeper than fangirlism. If you didn't realize that, throw your test results and your IQ scores out the window, because they won't matter.
I respect your opinion and think its understandable to reject the idea but there is no need to verbally attack those who have choosen this course. It makes others lessen their respect of you.
If this annoys you so much, then why dont you go to rant to people who actually care about your opinions and leave us alone. I respect the fact that you do not agree with us; a lot of people dont agree with some of my views but they're MY views - not anyone elses. And that's fine. I won't insult those who choose not to agree with me over religion, politics or even something as simple as which movies i like. If everyone felt the same way about everything the world would be a boring place.
This world is already turning into a Big Brother state, with Thought Police like you trying to control what other people think.
I'm starting a religion on Mudkips. Well, technically I'M not, but I'm joining it if it happens. If people can somewhat successfully argue for this guy, I bet we can do the same for a Pokemon.
Also, Sephiroth is overrated. I'm sorry, but it's true. He's awesome and all, but when you have him dominating popularity contests in Gamefaqs and someone trying to start a religion about him, that awesomeness goes down big-time. Just another wonderfully complex character I hate because of the fanbase. And I'm the one that tends to defend the hated characters from the popular bashing.
Yes, I'm aware one could argue God is overrated. Heck, I'm willing to actually believe that when people are doing stupid things in His name. And I'm a freaking Catholic. Yes, I'm willing to take the crap someone's going to give me for being one, because I realize the vast flaws in my religion.
REMEMBER: If you don't have something nice to say, DON'T say it!
We have explained many times over and if you think Sephiroth is overrated, that's your opinion, keep it to yourself, thank you. We members of Sephyism would like to be treated with respect and be accepted like anyone else would. I can also say that you would want to as well if you were in our position.
In all things, may everyone have balance.
~First Keeper NovaIce~
I'm not getting the concept of worshiping a clearly fictional and man-made character, nor do I see anyone explain the tenets of the religion in the 50+ comments here or in the LiveJournal linked in the OP. Does it have tenets? What is it that you believe, besides worshiping Sephiroth? How do you do so? Why? Note that I am not asking for the rehashed versions of the posts above, but an original, well-thought-out explanation.
I hope to see a decent post explaining this. It may help your cause if there were a comprehensive post describing what this "Sephyism" is. Otherwise, it seems to be a very vague, nebulous concept of worshiping a character created by Squaresoft, Inc. for the video game Final Fantasy VII. It would make about the same amount of sense to worship Sonic the Hedgehog to me without an explanation.
I'm not even touching on the fact that Sephiroth has an insane streak a mile wide and a penchant for destruction. I like the character well enough, but his fans are sometimes nuttier than he is.
Why the hell is there a load of lameass comments on here using both my old username and my first name?
Who the hell is posing as me?
Not big on the sephyism idea but im all for freedom of religion. Hell, i'll sign this for the lulz and it'd be pretty awesome if it actually worked but whoevers posing as me....don't make me sound like a twit >:( i do that well enough myself XD
I'm a huge fan of Final Fantasy, Sephiroth is awesome, but even a diehard fan can see that this is absolutley ridiculous. The only reason you basement dwellers probably worship him is because you think he's "HAWT" or you love to see him in yaoi so you can fap to him.
To those who take this 'religion' seriously...have fun in your parents' basement with your imaginary boyfriends, watching meatspin.
I still think this is the most ridiculous thing in the world, but no longer because it's an insult to real religious organization. It's not an insult. It's the same exact bullshit.
Do you need a religion? If Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hindu, Buddhism etc don't do the trick for you, why can't you just live an interesting life and be a good person as best as you know how? Why guidelines? Why a source to worship? Why anything? Become an atheist. It's not that big a deal.
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I will talk.
Of course it IS insane to worship a bunch of pixels. But...
Sephiroth represents the idea of a cycle of destruction and creation... Purification by flames. As volcanoes : they burn all crops, but the volcanic soil is more fertil than others. As the Phenix : eternal symbol of death and rebirth.
In middle age Alchemy, the first step was the "Nigredo", the purification step. Nigredo was called "Niger Nigrius Nigro" : the "Black blacker then Black"
It is a way to think... but it doesn't mean you have to worship pixels as a god.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllll of you are all fucked up crazy bitches.
This is possible one of the most stupidest things I've ever seen. Do you girls (I'm assuming most of you are girls if not......... ew) even have a life? Seriously, leave those fucked up basement of yours and GET. A. LIFE.
I personally don't see the point. Why ? Is that useful for someone ? For you ? for Sephiroth ? ridiculous... Why don't you do like him ?
Look at your dear Sephiroth. When he discovered his origins, did he begin to worship Jenova ? No. He attempted to do as his « Mother » did. He followed her wills and tried to destroy the Universe. And you… Did you do like him ? Did you follow his wills ? Did you try to do like him and try to do as He wills ? No. You just tried to create a cult about Him. What do you think ? If Sephiroth was a real character Would He be happier if you begin to begin a useless cult ? Or if you try to do as he did ? You cannot destroy the universe. You cannot blow up the Earth. But if all Sephyists join... They could begin and achieve Sephiroth's work. Understand that. Imagine one second. Sephiroth is alive. He sees someone worshipping him. He kills him. He sees people attempting to follow his wills. He helps them. Simple. Simple and logical.
Sephiroth has got enough fans to rule the world ( Sephyists or/and crazy fangirls or/and other FF maniacs...) If they could gather instead of saying prayers...
You want to show Sephiroth's "Path to the truth", yes ? Would people hear you if you don't act. Show the world who you are, and who Sephiroth is, and you will be famous... This is the only way to ACT
Sephiroth... He is no more than the part of YOU that want to be free (call it your "Dark Side" if you want itt.) That's why you worship it. He reminds you of someone... YOU. You are Sephiroth... if that's how you want to call it. He "won't remain in memory", no ? Well... He is in YOUR memory. Sephiroth, it's the human's inhumanity...
This is the kind of Sephyism I would preach. An atheist Sephyism. That would help the Heartless Angel more than your prayers. So... who agrees ?
I love you all, may you be blessed with a thousand meteors raining over your planet, and be taken to your promised land.
LOL!!!
Can't believe you lot don't realise you're all trolls trolling each other.......
That's how i started on this anyways
I was just ripping the piss pretending to be the biggest follower in all this to wind up the anti-sephyism lot and i had my laughs but come on, do you really expect this to go anywhere Kristen?
I'm half expecting you start "cloverfield monster-ism"........that is if you haven't already.
Im not religious in any way; i do support this movements belief that people should be allowed to have faith and worship whatever they want be it religion or someone out of tv and games - just look at Jediism.
But to take it to the level of believing this fictional character to be god is extremism.
He doesn't exist.
He never has done.
He never will do.
He existed in the form of man-made pixels on a disk and screen.
He wasn't real.
And no Kristen, you did not marry him and take half his wing as proof.
Dont be retarded.
Anyways, i kind of hope you guys somehow get the signatures you need for the lolz and to shut the flamers up but its not gonna happen.
Finally - to all those shitting on it; you've been trolled.
Badly.
By a group of fanboys and fangirls on a now dead forum.
ACF - google or encylopedia dramatica it.
In the end they've stirred you all up and gotten the attention they wanted so they've technically won.
Anywhoo i've rambled on enough.
Toodles
xx
The deadline for this petition is December 29, 2011--but the world is going to end in 2012.
For the 55 of you who have mindlessly signed this petition, you've just wasted your life.
LOL JK, but seriously. You still wasted your time.
Ps. This wasn't worth all the 'lulz' I thought it would be worth. If people don't have the ability to believe in God, then how the FUCK can they believe in a pixel graphic? It's not even like the've made a robot in Sephiroth's image and created an AI for him. If some idiot were to devote their life to doing something as ridiculous as THAT, then maybe THIS whole mess would be 0.00000001 per cent less stupid. It's still mindblowingly stupid though.
He's not real. He doesn't exist. He will never exist. And no, he doesn't even exist in your mind because you're all mindless fucktards.
ciao.